Wednesday, July 12, 2006

"A head for trouble"

Before I get into this blog post properly, can I just ask: does anyone like my new and updated myspace profile ?!! (I know the guys may not be a huge fan of the colour but it kinda matches my blog now, which is what I wanted.) Also, it now has a proper URl, to make finding it slightly easier.

Anyway...the real reason for this post, is to ask whether anyone else read the above titled article in last week's Sunday Times Magazine ? I read it, and was a bit confused by it, and if anyone else has read it I would appreciate comments/thoughts/opinions etc. It's one of those articles which when you read you know that there is probably some truth in but there also feels to be something not quite right either but you can't put your finger on it...or at least that's how I felt.

Do have a read (I hope the link works). Basically it's saying are we really responsible for our actions or is what we do already predetermined by the wiring of our brains ? To further expand, I have chosen a few select quotes from the article:

"The laws of most societies assume moral decisions are made in the conscious, rational mind. But an influential number of brain researchers disagree. They point to cases like that of Mr C to argue that it is not people, or minds, that commit bad acts, but their brains."

"Arguably, liars, thieves, murderers and paedophiles and Good Samaritans, are not bad or good - just 'different', their brains having disposed them to behaviour outside the moral norm."

The religious doctrines of original sin - meaning that we are prone to prefer wrong by nature - conscience and free will have been eroded by rationalism, science and secularism over the past two centuries, yet a powerful belief in responsibility for our actions remains".

"Philosophers, too, have long suggested that personal responsibility is an illusion"

"'Some of the seven deadly sins' claims Tancredi, 'have already been shown to be affected by biological factors in varying degrees, and in some cases, the individual may have little power or free will to prevent them from happening.'"

"'Your sense of personal identity and free will are in fact no more than the behaviour of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules.'"

Now, I have no doubt in my mind that God can and does use the natural laws He created, and that it is possible (tho this may be a contreversial thing to say) that this brain wiring thing is correct, and that when we come to God and become "new creations" he changes something in our internal wiring? Maybe spiritual blindness is not merely a picture but also has a basis in physiology ? Perhaps this is merely the debate about science vs religeon in a new form, which people are only just beginning to think about, and that it is again an issue of their being no real conflict, but that this new neuroscience and what the Bible says are just saying respectively how and why. (These are only my current thoughts on the subject btw). But however, this is coming at this issue from the side of already believing in God. If, like many scientists, they are coming from the other side...I just think something's back to front here. Help me out here: What does anyone else think ?

5 comments:

Jammin said...

In my opinion, this is a lie straight from hell. I'll give some more thought as to the "argument" in due course, but I don't think much of one is required.

Grrr...

Anonymous said...

Hi Ro,

Very interesting as well as un-nerving, it's one of those conundrums that's pretty hard to think out to a conclusion- a discussion about the brains thought process requires us to use the brains thought progess- a scary circle to be caught in!!

I have to agree with what you said in your last paragraph- but then i too am comming from the side of believeing in God.

Sorry not to be of more help, but thank you for posting it- very very interesting!

P.S. I know i haven't seen you for soooooooooooo long, but good luck with all! and have a top summer

MattCrossman said...
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MattCrossman said...

Luther's definition of sin was humanity turned in on itself.

Sin is essnetially a displacement of worship, where God is forsaken and the self is the object of our devotion.

Theft, rape, paedophilia, murder can be viewed as humanity turned in on tiself, gratifying its own desires at the expense of others e.g. a rapist desires sex and control over women, and does not reign in that impluse because what he desires must be good because it's his desire.

Hence most sin is a choice to serve yourself.

Plus if its all just molecules, what of inherant morality? Go to any playground in any country anywhere and I guarantee you';ll hear the phrase 'it's not fair!' . Nobody teaches children fairness ...

Hmmm

Ro said...

Heya ! (I know, I know, I'm not gone yet - tomorrow I will be though.)

Thanks all for your comments. Much appreciated. Do keep thinking and commenting, but I just wanted to give my thoughts on what you've all said so far:

Matt, I completely agree with you. When I read the article, it struck me too that they didn't have their definition of sin right at all. This is probably a common misconception about what sin is though, as I think many people think 'sin' just means 'doing wrong', as opposed to as you said above. I liked something a friend said to me in pharmacology in 2nd year, that neuroscience/pharmacology stuff can tell us about why things happen, e.g. why we experience a particular sensation for example with certain neurotransmitters, like Seratonin, but that still doesn't explain where the trigger for that sensation came from in the first place. Like I was saying before, how and why, and perhaps the same as with the inherent morality argument ?

And Jammin, as I said in my e-mail but will reiterate here for purpose of other bloggers: although I know where you're coming from, and do in part agree, and also appreciate you taking time to think through things I post on my blog, I also think it's dangerous for us to just dismiss things like this. It's what has in the past led to people having the impression that science and 'religeon' are in conflict, when in fact they aren't at all.

Glad to know my blog is of interest/useful to others, besides just being a place where I write thoughts and rambles ! :-)